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- From: drizzit@eskimo.com (G. Baldwin)
- Subject: Re: A4000 HD Drive, FORGET IT!
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- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 1996 23:22:26 GMT
-
- Chris Hall (chall@clover.cleaf.com) wrote:
- : Maxwell Daymon (mdaymon@rainbow.rmii.com) blessed us with these words:
-
- : : The 25MB disk is close enough that it wouldn't make a difference.
-
- : These could be used if Iomega were to get them out in quanity. They need
- : to license the manufacturing of Zip disks to other companies so they will
- : be more available and the price will drop.
-
- True. Remeber the floptical drives a while back that everyone wanted
- to become the "stock" floppy drive? The price of floptical disks
- never fell below $20 each, thus it died.
-
- : : It's not just a backup device.
-
- : Think about it. Can you see AT making the Zip drive standard on the
- : Amiga? We have problems getting them to listen to us on the SCSI port.
-
- Commdore learned the hard way that they should never of used IDE.
- Look at how badly they got flamed for the A4000's IDE interface, esp
- from ex A3000 owners!
-
- : If you had to choose between an Amiga with a hard drive and floppy drive
- : or an Amiga with a hard drive and CDROM, knowing that you can buy any
- : optional backup device you wanted, which would you choose.
-
- Average Mac or WinTel games take up at least 1 CDROM, and several
- take 2 or more. Many high end PC games were never ported to the Amiga
- not only due to the lack of CPU power, but also because nobody had the
- storage space to use them.
-
- : : That will effectively force all the little guys out. Have you priced out
- : : the inital cost of CD-ROM production? Companies are starting to jack up
- : : costs because they can't reuse CD-ROMs and they want to cover themselves
- : : if they don't sell as many as they run.
-
- : CDROM production isn't that bad. I'm trying to get into it and the prices
- : of write drives and CDR disks are dropping fast. I bought a CDR drive
- : last spring and now they run about $600 less than what I bought mine for.
- : Pressing costs aren't that bad either. The larger the run, the cheaper it
- : gets. Sure you can't reuse the disks but they won't go bad on you either
- : so you don't have to worry about having to send out replacement disks.
-
- CDROM production is cheaper than ever. And anyways, if you can't make
- CDROMs yourself, make a deal with a larger production house to produce
- and distribute your software.
-
- : If you were running a company, would you rather do thousands of swaps in
- : your Zip drive making copies or burn one pre-master CD or write the ISO
- : image to a tape drive then send it off to be duplicated? As far as I
- : know there isn't a mass duplication service for Zips.
-
- If I were a big company, I wouldn't be using an A1200+. I'd have the
- mid or probably the high end machine. Even if Zip came standard on
- all PPC Amigas, I'd still have a CDROM, HDD, and possibly a tape
- drive. But as for Joe-Blow Average, a Zip Drive would work great.
-
- : : Then they couldn't enforce a licensing fee (which is the point).
-
- : Well, Commodore was the ones that setup that crap boot system for the
- : CD32. I hope AT is open minded enough to realize that they would have
- : more third party software developers without a licensing fee thus selling
- : more of there hardware.
-
- Many 3rd party software houses already say that they do NOT plan to
- support the new Ultra64 from Nintendo. In their quest to make a more
- powerful hardware platform, Nintendo made it too expensive, so they
- dropped the CDROM for a cartrige system, with optional CDROM (like the
- Jaguar does now). I see a bleak future for the Ultra64.
-
- My point? We need at least a cheap CDROM drive in the PPC line
- (Quad Speed drives are already dipping below $100 RIGHT NOW - by the
- end of 1996, Hex Speed drives will be under $100 as well), or else we
- will alienate the Amiga line from everybody else.
-
- : : And AT (and thrid parties) could advertise options on the Amiga as being
- : : cheaper - no interface required. Right now A1200 drives are expensive in
- : : part because they DO require PCMCIA cards (or hacks)
-
- : If we keep saying SCSI should be on all Amigas that AT sales, maybe they
- : will eventually listen to us.
-
- I am not expecting much with the A1200+. Its the PPC line that I am
- hopping that AT doesn't fudge up. I am also hoping that Amiga owners
- will realize that they can no longer expect a $350 to be a world class
- machine - there has to be a little bit of "substance" thrown in to
- make it worth using. SCSI, PPC 603, 6MB of mem, Zip Drive, and 500MB
- HDD is not much to ask.
-
- : Chris Hall
-
-